General Discussion

I Thessalonians 5:11  . . . comfort each other and edify one another. . .

I encourage posts for topics of general discussion including, but not limited to: aspects of the Christian experience of faith and the work/gifts of the Holy Spirit, study of Scripture, Church history, missions, evangelism, apologetics, and interesting books/reviews.

So, why share? Why discuss?  This is NOT about indoctrination! Our posts should be a “process” whereby we achieve some level personal growth, crystallize our thoughts, and develop our point of view, but NOT at one another’s expense! What is gained by “winning” some argument, other than “losing” a friend, or respect, or both! Quite often, the answer to a situation can be found in asking the right question. That is an art, in and of itself! Sometimes, it’s safer for the ego to get lost in a discussion that leads nowhere, rather than challenging one’s own perception by considering a different point of view! One’s own “comfort zone” can easily become one’s own “sacred cow”!  It’s very revealing  how particular we are in attacking some sacred cows, but not others! Therein lurks the private agenda of the heart.

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    By Coach Dave DaubenmireMarch 15, 2012

    This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.-Matt.15:8
    “Talk is cheap.” Heard regularly on athletic fields across America. I better warn you. You have walked in during one of my rants. You might be better off if you just turned and walked out the same way you entered.Don’t let the door hit you on the way out…I am sick and tired of the Christian-weenies. The cowardice of the average American Christian male is disheartening. There is a difference you know…between a male and a man. The nation is peppered with Christian males, but you will look long and hard before you set your eyes on a Christian MAN. Male by birth, man by choice. We are in the mess we are in because of it…the lack of Christian men. The “war on women’ is all of the rage in the media during this election season. But a war on manhood has been going on for at least two-generations.

    The other day a friend of mine wanted to introduce me to a guy he had recently met. “You’ll love him Coach. He is a man’s man.” I didn’t have to ask him what he meant by that description. He knew, and I knew, what a “man’s man” really is. They are rare today…especially in the church. Most are passive men, neutered and gelded by the feminization of the culture.

    The average “man’s man” wants nothing to do with church. As a man once lamented to me after having heard me speak, “I have been fighting to hang on to my balls ever since I walked the aisle.” Even worse, the average pastor has no idea what to do with a man’s man. Most are looking for “Yes” men who obediently follow the lead of their shepherd. The last thing they want to deal with is a boat-rocker, one who makes waves inside the pastor’s “love boat.”

    I find it revealing that the most popular Christian film of the year isCourageous. Finally, some one is realizing that Christian testosterone is a good thing. Nothing has contributed more to the demise of America than the “metro-sexualization” of the American male.

    Our churches are the worst. From moussed-haired, skinny-jeaned, metro-sexual “worship pastors,” to insolated and isolated mega-church “Preaching Pastors,” they are sissified males who model a pacified, effeminized version of Jesus. At a time when our pulpits need testosterone-filled Ted Nugents we get estrogen-loving Teddy Bears. It is no wonder the “saltless church” is getting its butt kicked all across this nation. They talk a good game….give lip service…but very few are willing to walk the talk. They are deceived, ignorant, or cowardly. None of the three is acceptable for a leader. Most have traded their backbone for a wishbone. Wishing ain’t much of a plan when at war.

    Sorry if I don’t sound very “Christian,” but our leadership sucks. The pulpits of America are filled with man-pleasers who are striving to do all they can to appease their customers. Their real job is to train, equip, and mobilize their “flock” for the work of the ministry. They have done a putrid job. They are weak role models, displaying a weak, compromising Savior. They love to visit the hospital to pray with the “saints,” but they are MIA on the battle field where the saints are being destroyed. Jesus said “Be of good cheer, for I have overcome the World.”That’s a pretty big deal to me. He overcame so that we could overcome as well. “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done ON EARTH, as it is in heaven.” Why are we so afraid to do His will? Why are we so afraid to exhort others to do the same? Why are we so willing to go down without a fight? Why are we so afraid to confront evil? Passive leaders. Instead of God’s Generals we get God’s Nursemaids. What leader worth his salt would want to keep his troops dependant on him for his daily struggles? Why haven’t our pulpits raised up men who will raise up other men? Duplication of oneself is the greatest demonstration of leadership. Instead of reproducing leaders, we are reproducing followers. Instead of men, we have geldings.

    I have heard from men who want to come to my Spiritual Bootcamp…but they first have to get their pastor’s approval. Can you believe this crap? For heaven’s sake GROW UP!! It is time you were weaned off of your pastor’s milk! He should be pushing you out the door…no wait…leading you out the door! Put on your big-boy pants, fellas. Can I cut to the chase? Our “church system” is producing passive men. They claim to “serve the Lord” yet they bow to every un-Godly authority that crosses their path. Lip service. It reminds me of my dog hanging his head out of the car window. It’s all just lips flapping in the wind.

    Should we “obey God or man?” We all know the answer to that question. But Christian men cower in the corner, sucking off of the pastor’s teat, while the very future of their children hangs in the balance. What a sick, pathetic army we are…paralyzed by fear…hiding from the enemy…depending on the wishbone rather than they backbone. First-century Christians used the Gospel to turn the world upside down. The Black-Robed Regiment led the fight for American Independence. The Greatest Generation saved the world from Hitler. Today’s men are sitting in padded pews, at least when not looking at Porn. The men lived in different times, fought different battles, and overcame different obstacles. They used the same Bible, but today we have a different Gospel. At some point we traded the True Gospel for a gospel of appeasement? It is time for us to man-up

    Look at the pathetic response from the Catholic Church over birth control. Instead of Bishops and their flocks surrounding the Capitol and demanding someone reign-in the Communist who reigns over us, we watch them grovel at the feet of the political system begging for “our rights.” “Please Mr. Obama; may I have another cup of porridge?”

    We have yielded our schools to the enemies of the cross. We have permitted the slaughter of the innocent in the security of their mother’s womb. We have sat in our churches and sucked on the nipple while they have legalized the deviant in the name of liberty. We have “prayed for our leaders” while our tax-dollar have been used to submerge a crucifix in urine. They have attacked public prayer, public religious expression, and all manner of God-given free exercise of faith. “Please Mr. Obama; may I have another cup of porridge?” We are nothing more than sniffling, powerless, pampered, pabulum eating, weak-kneed off-spring of the King of Kings. I question if most of them are even saved. Wake up Christian!! The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead dwells inside your mortal body!! It is time to come out of the closet.

    I look at my precious 16-month grand-daughter and wonder what un-spoken horror she might have to go through because of the cowardice of her “Grampy’s” generation. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. -Rev. 21:7-8.

    Interesting, isn’t it? The first sinner that the Lord identifies is the fearful. No wonder the world is marching all over the church. “Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.” -Luke 21 Whistling past the graveyard, that’s what our pulpits are teaching. Man-pleasers, hiding from evil, ashamed of the Gospel…lambs for the slaughter. It’s all just lip service…empty words…“Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

    “Please Mr. Obama, may I have some freedom?”

    © 2012 Dave Daubenmire – All Rights Reserved

    Coach Dave Daubenmire, founder and President of Pass The Salt Ministries and Minutemen United, is host of the high octane Pass The Salt radio show heard in Columbus, Ohio.

    In 1999 Coach Daubenmire was sued by the ACLU for praying with his teams while coaching high school in Ohio. He now spends his energy fighting for Christian principles in the public domain.


    Birth, life, and death, is the cycle of life that is universally accepted. And since life after death cannot be proven sufficiently for the general public, whatever good life has to offer, according to this belief, must ultimately be conquered by a greater power – the destructive power of death! Think about that for a moment. Can you see how the world would naturally become fatalistic being stuck with that perspective? Where does an all powerful, active, loving God fit into our picture? For the Christian who experiences the dynamic presence of God, the implications are: passive acknowledgement and some type of corporate association with Jesus Christ and His teachings, or an active, synergistic, responsibility to physically carry out the mandate He entrusted to us! I used to wonder why people argued about this stuff until I realized what was fueling the discussion – some type of denominational/doctrinal agenda, rather than a much less self serving, objective approach to discovering facts/truth. Here are a few Scriptures on the subject of healing that should be familiar to most reading this Blog:
    Matthew 10:7-8
    Mark 3:14-15
    Matthew 21:22
    Mark 11:24
    John 15:7
    Mark 9:23
    James 5:14-15
    I John 5:14-15 (interesting coincidence)
    I Peter 2:24
    A great deal of our actions as Christians can be explained by how we have identified ourselves.
    For example, are we servants/slaves/petitioners or are we sons/ambassadors/co-heirs of Jesus?
    There are all sorts of doctrines about this, but whatever the case, how we see who we are in Christ will reveal
    our perceptions, mentality, and ultimately how we react to circumstances AND the type of action we take. This is only a prelude to bigger things.  Please consider the consequences as they relate to your view and approach to healing.

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